[18:02 UTC] *** Logging started. *** [11:02 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone. [11:03 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: need a smaller chair humbletim? [11:03 AM PT] humbletim metaverse: hi. i'm good thanks. :) [11:04 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: :) [11:04 AM PT] Lyr Lobo: Great to see you, HumbleTim [11:05 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well so.. abotu last week code changes... [11:05 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: i did update the connector for pgsql databases [11:06 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: a pure blind update, since i can't test it [11:06 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: i also made a change on UUID casting [11:06 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: gainv did mention there was a old issue on that and possible was that.. [11:06 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: need to wait to see feedback :) [11:07 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Should hopefully have some test results by the end of this week [11:07 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I don't have any simulators up and running on postgres for the time being, so will get that going again to test [11:07 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: when i changed the lludp packats dispatch i lost one.. it is back again :) [11:08 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ( the one used on change group roles ) [11:09 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: looking to lbsa console noticed a error from llBase64ToInteger [11:09 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and in fact it was not good... not even checking for empty input [11:10 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and also not handling less than 6 chars [11:10 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: so i replaced its code.. [11:11 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: no idea with a athena body or other things use that.. but well they do ( and failed) [11:12 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: also added some ice on some xml decoder dictionaries [11:12 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: using dotnet 8 frozendictionary [11:12 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: supposed to save a few ns on each read [11:12 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well that was it.. [11:13 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so it became snappier [11:13 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well also made some changes to avoid that uglu dll copy od system.drawing [11:13 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: but sent all to trash [11:13 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: tghe copy is fine for now [11:14 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: the alternative is a big and not much reliable mess [11:14 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ms does want to kill linux desktop apps [11:14 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: it seems [11:15 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: of course it does [11:15 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ( their next GUI thing MAIU suports all but linux also ) [11:16 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: but their dependencies load code is a lto worse than net framework or mono [11:16 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: basicly wants all to use stupid nuget [11:17 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: they do provide a api funtion to load a assembly from a path [11:17 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ..loadFrom(path) [11:18 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: then that crap parses teh file, extracts the assembly name and goes look for it on its predefined list of locations.. and ignores our path if it finds one [11:18 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: bahh whatever.. [11:19 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: the ugly copy stays for now :) [11:19 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: so what news do you have about opensimulator? [11:20 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: not much. Published a tiny update to my Mac viewer [11:20 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: NICE [11:20 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ooops [11:20 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: nice :) [11:20 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: New migrations are progressing, at code hardening phase to make sure it fails safely and so on. Writing migrations and schema files. Not sure when that'll be fully ready [11:21 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Now that postgres works again I can at least try to implement those routines [11:21 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: you mean on your grid code? [11:21 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: err ive no idea if it works!! [11:21 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: just made blind changes.. [11:22 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: sure the dll we had was from 2013 or so [11:22 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Shouldn't take long to figure out, I still have the postgres vm somewhere [11:22 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ok [11:22 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: oh i also have a mssing comand on a msql migration [11:23 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: what pg version did you test with last? [11:23 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: but seems it had no impact on MYsql or maria [11:23 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I used version11.x in prod, but latest version are like 15.9 or more [11:23 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Uh I don't recall. The problem happened around version 12 or so [11:23 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yea [11:23 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: In combination with latest ubuntu 22 at the time it was a fail [11:24 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I made various tests and attempted to get a working dll combination from nuget [11:24 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: It did eventually connect only to fail on the guid uuid thingy [11:24 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I think it will fail on more for version 15.x [11:25 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: we shall see [11:25 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ty :) [11:25 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Not being able to run it on windows at all since it just refuses to auth, so writing migration code takes more effort going in blind [11:26 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Tests I have made so far look promising, lots more bailing out when the tables are not what they supposed to be, lots more verbose [11:26 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ahh i also did add "ssl mode = disable" to the connector strings examples [11:26 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: good [11:26 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Yeah the cert failure was the initial problem which then despite telling it not to validate still failed on that [11:27 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: MS does not take a no for an answer [11:28 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Well they are busy trying to cram ads into everything so they probably can't hear the screams of everyone over the rustling of chains [11:28 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: lol [11:28 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: :) [11:28 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: exactly lol [11:29 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: i tried to move to ubuntu in 2010 or so.. it was a big fail :) [11:29 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I can't wait for autoupdate having ads plastered all over [11:29 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: loved when it refused to install nvidia drivers bc they where close source [11:30 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: The automatic update windows does is just a scheduled task, which you can brick to make it fail to start without it noticing [11:30 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: i killed the stupid scripts and installed them anyway, ofc [11:30 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: but it was all a huge fail as desktop machine [11:30 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: but who nows.. maybe it is time to try again [11:30 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: MS is getting really bad [11:31 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: they will find a way to make it notice and place an ad there [11:31 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: they are going to force bitlock [11:31 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I got away from Ubuntu when they changed to a desktop that used Unity (IIRC). [11:31 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: hopefully someone purchase and ad to upgrade your system to say Ubuntu and off you go [11:31 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I installed a new machine on 24.04 and so far I am not as impressed as I thought I'd be, but it's more relevant for servers and what they ship with as apparently a lot of folks install dependencies for OpenSim via the mirrors and not the software vendors repos [11:32 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Ubuntu Maté 22 seems to be pretty stable for me [11:32 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ppl are telling that next big update wll turn on bitlock [11:33 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: so our disks contents becames basicly propriety of MS [11:33 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: MS lately run by petulant toddlers throwing tantrums [11:33 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well lets see .. they may give up with reactions [11:34 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Let's hope [11:34 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ( and do it one month later not telling ) [11:35 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: my only MS dependency is dotnet for oopensim. otherwise none [11:35 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: opensim even [11:36 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Let's see what else. Oh tangentially related. I did some spring cleaning again. Found a load of notecards made by scripts that were no longer in use. Some apparently use notecards as temporary storage and overwrite them so frequently it makes a mess [11:36 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well we can alwasy go back to MSDOS 4.0 that is now opensource [11:36 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: :P [11:36 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: fun.. 4.0 is something no one used.. [11:36 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I just saw a video about that. [11:36 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Searching assets table for notecards sharing same name sorted by count and working out where they came from [11:36 AM PT] Lyr Lobo chuckles [11:36 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yead dave garage [11:36 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: can you make a simulator run in it? [11:37 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, yup [11:37 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: We may be able to get an older version of OpenSim to run on Win95 now that .net 2.0 has been backported to it [11:37 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: nahhh win95 was BAD [11:38 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Probably blow up on all sorts of system calls it doesn't have as well [11:38 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: that time the os was win NT [11:38 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: doesn't win95 instantly get infected when connected to internet? [11:38 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: even xp now [11:38 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, I've heard people say that but I never had any real problem with either WinME or Win95. [11:38 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yes [11:39 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: wel word with 6 pages jsut did crash on win95 :( [11:39 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: not on NT with 600 [11:39 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I never used MS Word. [11:39 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: 95 was a mess of hibrid code [11:40 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: old msdos with a few 32bit things [11:40 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: while NT was new.. ( from work with IBM on os2 etc ) [11:41 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: the ms does hibrid was gone on XP that was mostly NT or something [11:42 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: but yeah a XP connected to net gets a ton of trojans installed in a few minutes [11:43 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: There is still software for it to allow it online and secure it, cause... yeah some still use it and the embedded versions, which is just bonkers [11:43 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: i had that once installing a 95 on a friend.. [11:44 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: had to kiil the damm things by hand until the end of isntall and addign a anti virus [11:44 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I hope your freind did not get infected after [11:44 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: wel i had no license to give hom NT :) [11:45 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: to give him.. [11:45 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and this was in win95 times.. not today [11:46 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: late 90s [11:46 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeap [11:47 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: for better or for worse, I avoided Windows my whole life [11:47 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: although I used it at work and can get around as a user [11:47 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: same [11:47 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: out pc music was the analog modem soung [11:48 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: I've managed to escape from Windows, I'm all linux now. [11:48 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: dual-boot Mac and Unix since 1997 [11:48 AM PT] Jagga Meredith: Mac [11:48 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: jezz mac?? apple is a lot worse than ms :P [11:49 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it is not [11:49 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: worse or better, depending how yoiu grade [11:49 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ofc it is.. apple just owns you :P [11:49 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Apple code at least works even if it sometimes doesn't make sense, MS... yeah toddlers, remember [11:49 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: that is a bigh myth and meme [11:50 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: has changed a lot in 20 yrs, is now BSD under the hood [11:50 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeat tell that to Louis Rossmann [11:50 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: :) [11:51 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: he tries to fix the HW and not actually use the working HW [11:51 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Apple doesn't make that easy. [11:51 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: We have 10 minutes left in the hour. Is there anything else to talk about related to OpenSim for today? [11:52 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I am glad the EU drags Apple kicking and screaming forward lately [11:52 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: they have become annoyingly full of themselves [11:52 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: they might get hit with anti-trust and get broken up [11:52 AM PT] Lyr Lobo: yes [11:52 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: MS please be next, please be next [11:53 AM PT] Lyr Lobo chuckles [11:53 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it is very difficult to hit them with antitrust because they are not majority player in any market [11:53 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Reject modern OS, embrace fortran and assembly [11:53 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: LOL [11:53 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ms also got kicked by eu a few times [11:53 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks grins at Vincent [11:53 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and also in usa [11:54 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Remember, a bad programmer can write FORTRAN in any language. [11:54 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: a point usa almost spit them in 2 [11:54 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: try write your postgres driver in fortran [11:54 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: :-) [11:54 AM PT] Jagga Meredith: FoRTRAN is still used by the GIS crowd [11:55 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: punch cards? [11:55 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: tons og good libs made in fortran in years [11:55 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and possible even today fortran compilers do better optimization job [11:55 AM PT] Lyr Lobo chuckles [11:55 AM PT] Jagga Meredith: I've got some punch cards on my fridge. My mother uses them for note paper [11:55 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Hm I wonder if lsl can emulate fortran, that'd be a fun project if time slowed down by a factor of 10x lol [11:55 AM PT] humbletim metaverse: i've been looking into how hop:// URLs work; still investigating on all sides of the equation so not much to report yet (though have submitted a PR to firestorm that might help in certain cases of partial Region name matches preventing traversal). [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ofc you could try use ADA [11:56 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: lets port opensim to it! [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: to ADA? [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: hmm i do know a ADA coder... [11:56 AM PT] Lyr Lobo: Thanks, HumbleTim [11:56 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Jagga, I have a couple of Fortran programs written on punch cards in a box near me. [11:56 AM PT] Jagga Meredith: kewl [11:56 AM PT] Lyr Lobo snorts at Ubit [11:56 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Am I weird for never having used a hop link. I always travel via world map search [11:56 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: I have a computer museum with punched cards, punched tape, a HUGE 3 megabyte disk pack (huge in size, not in storage) [11:57 AM PT] Jagga Meredith: dam we [11:57 AM PT] Jagga Meredith: damn we're old [11:57 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the next thing you're gonna say is you have a card punch in your office [11:57 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: humbletim, sounds good. Let us know how you get on with that. [11:57 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: original ibm one was the size of a fridge no? [11:58 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I run my backup to punch cards [11:58 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: rofl [11:58 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Truck pulls up outside your house "here is my iar" [11:58 AM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I use a sharpened stick to punch the cards [11:58 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: i don't punch.. just use a pencil [11:58 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yup :-) [11:58 AM PT] humbletim metaverse: vincent-- that's not weird; a lot of the same viewer code paths and lookups seem involved whether hop://ing or mapping. andrew -- will do! [12:00 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: When you say it doesn't work on partial names I think why would it, it should never assume what you meant. No exact match, send to search and return potential results for user to pick [12:00 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Then again the world map search is also often returning odd results [12:01 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: odd results how? [12:01 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: world map seems the most reliable [12:01 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: viewers do a mess [12:01 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: there are times when hop URL or LMs don't work across grids [12:01 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yes [12:01 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: You search for "Sand" and instead of giving you the "Sandbox" as top result you get "Besand" as top result [12:01 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Stuff along those lines [12:02 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: luck you don't get sahara [12:02 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Haven't quite worked out which end is causing that though [12:03 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: this happens on osg? [12:03 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: If I search for something I would expect the results to be starts-with, contains-word, contains part of word with a letter removed, if you want to be especially verbose with results [12:03 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, it used to only return results where the string you were searching for were at the start of a region name. That meant you wouldn't be able to find places such as My Sandbox when looking for a sand box. [12:03 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: viewers cache and have own search on it [12:04 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Problem is now it returns the other results first rather than the starts with match first and the rest down the order [12:04 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: viewer issue? [12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: dont thing we waste time sorting [12:05 PM PT] Lyr Lobo: hehe [12:05 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Depends on how you define a match. Your example is a match. Just not the one you wanted. The order may be up to either the OpenSIm code or the viewer. One or the other may be sorting the results. [12:05 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: There are loads of little things in FS I would adjust or give the option to adjust at least [12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ( fs or dayturn.. ;) ) [12:06 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I think my viewer will find regions with partial match, but I have to check back on the grid [12:06 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Out on HG it only finds starts with [12:06 PM PT] humbletim metaverse: it's a symphony of interpretations -- searching for "Sand" may make sense to include Sandy Beach as a candidate, but resolving a hard-coded hop://grid:port/Sand/1/2/3 URL perhaps makes sense to expect exact match or nothing [12:07 PM PT] Tess JL: How does search work if a region name has non-English characters? [12:07 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: hard coded hop should be exact match [12:07 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: can you use hop URLs in the world map search? [12:07 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: hop is a fs thing [12:07 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: region cannot have non-English chars [12:07 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I had it the other day I searched for "Welcome" and the first result was a hg url rather than local region named that... [12:08 PM PT] Tess JL: Ah, so not many Norwegian region names possible then? [12:08 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: That things match is fine, it's the order that is rather unusual that gets me [12:08 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: as i said.. viewers cache and give answer from it [12:08 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: not with æøå, no [12:09 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, does the order appear to be random or alphabetical? [12:09 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Sandnes is a Norwegian name ;-) [12:09 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Issue has been around for a long time right? [12:09 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: sandes are very nice things to eat :p [12:10 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yes, but you don't eat Sandnes [12:10 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Andrew, it seems alphabetical strictly speaking I suppose, but why it would sort a whole hg url above a shorter region name is odd [12:10 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: there was a TV series where they had used Sadness in stead of Sandnes [12:10 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, that may be a question for the viewer devs. [12:10 PM PT] Tess JL: I better log off now. Have a lovely week everybody [12:11 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Maybe I google too much as well and just grown used to that [12:11 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Tess when *poof* before I could say goodbye. [12:11 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: s/when/went/ [12:11 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Sand, for me, should return Sandbox, Besand, Sane, http://blah/sandbox [12:12 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: sane ? insane :) [12:12 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: :) [12:12 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Starts-with, contains, contains-partial, hg. Somewhat logical, to me at least, so that might not mean much [12:12 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: sane does not start with sand [12:12 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: by anyway [12:13 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: but* [12:13 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I wrote a websearch like that, cut first or last char of query and find matches, so Sand becomes San or and [12:13 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Imma gonna hop [12:13 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Gavin. Thanks for dropping by. [12:13 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: cya [12:13 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: cheers [12:14 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I need to head out too [12:14 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: It is now quarter past the hour and about time to start wrapping up this meeting. Any last minute items for today? [12:15 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: humbletim if you could add a small switch for showing events as grid time rather than local timezones I'll buy you a beer :) [12:15 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, I'll call todays meeting to a close. Thank you all for coming. See you again next week. [19:15 UTC] *** Logging stopped. ***