[18:05 UTC] *** Logging started. *** [11:05 AM PT] Jagga Meredith: Trondheim weather cold as usualk [11:05 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I bet - my brother lives there [11:05 AM PT] Jagga Meredith: ah [11:05 AM PT] Jagga Meredith: went there one summer [11:06 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: It is raining in California now! [11:06 AM PT] Jagga Meredith: snow on ground [11:06 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Putting out all the fires! [11:06 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: getting colder here too. Only 1 C the other morning [11:07 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I better change the ground textures to sno on my grid [11:07 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: snow* [11:07 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, they can certainly use the rain. [11:08 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Looking at the Open Simulator commit messages I see there has been a fair bit of activity this past week. [11:09 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: One of the changes has to do with YEngine and region crossings. [11:09 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Where is Ubit to tell us this? [11:09 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the problem changing the grid to reflect the seasons is as you accumulate more and more stuff, you don't have snow or fall textures for everything. I'd like to have a big SQL query changing all in-world prims to winter textures [11:09 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Right. He isn't here to provide us any addtiional details. [11:10 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Let me see if he is in IRC. [11:10 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I am not sure what he changed. I have not tested it yet too [11:11 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: For crossings, in XEngine and YEngine he is sending changed region and teleport information together so they can be easily detected. [11:12 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: hmf [11:12 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Here comes Ubit. [11:12 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: we found a new "feature" after the last meeting [11:12 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Gavin, oh? What new "feature"? [11:12 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: while this avatar was here, I could log in again to a region on my grid [11:12 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so suddenly I had two logins via the same grid [11:13 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: (hi everyone) [11:13 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Ubit. [11:13 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: only one of the was out traveling [11:13 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Welcome Ubit! [11:13 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi Ubit [11:13 AM PT] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Hi Ubit [11:13 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: of them* [11:13 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yes gavin thats HG 101 [11:13 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: :) [11:13 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Gavin, interesting. You get to do twice as much in world. :) [11:14 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: exactly :-) [11:14 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: at the same time that is. ;) [11:14 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: but [11:14 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I wonder what happesn to the db record if you start chaning things on the avatar [11:14 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: which one will overwrite which? [11:14 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: rememeber you could do the same with normal grid avatars until i added code to stop it [11:15 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I seem to remember seeing the same avatar in a grid being in two places at once a long time ago. [11:15 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: we could have several copies on diferent regions on same gtid [11:16 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: that still happens on HG because hard to control and stop it [11:16 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: but does not the first logged in avatar set a flag it is logged in and blcok any other loging from the same till it is cleared? [11:17 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: that falg can't be use on HG bc reasons [11:18 AM PT] Jagga Meredith: heh [11:18 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: remember HG is a hack [11:18 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: even hacks have features :-) [11:18 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeha.. it kinda works :) [11:19 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Features, bugs, what's the diff? [11:19 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: dif is on who speaks abt them :p [11:19 AM PT] Jagga Meredith: mmm...philosophy! [11:19 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: An avatar should still be known by name and/or UUID and the HG grid name. That should still allow a person from being in a grid more than once if coming from the same origin. [11:19 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, bugs are undocumented features. ;) [11:20 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: exactly Andrew [11:20 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: remember that ppl can set a avatar uuid, standalones aven ask for it [11:20 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it asks once [11:20 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: so the uui was created, that is also a fail [11:22 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: since uui was created, some even assumed it was corrent for avatars on dif grids to have same uuid [11:22 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: totally ignoring what uuid does mean... [11:23 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: well, if you have an iar to import from another grid or standalone, it is better to use the same uuid [11:23 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: nah iar code should had been better [11:23 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: or oar rather [11:23 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeah nice way to steal things turning their creator [11:24 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: well, honest paeople still do exist [11:24 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: :) [11:24 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: prob is always the few that are not [11:25 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: of you are importing 40 oars from an old grid, using a different uuid for the owner is a nightmare to fix after [11:25 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: but remember a lot less honest ppl online than rl [11:25 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: the keyboard/monitor iterface does that [11:26 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: The anonymity factor. [11:26 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: compept of virtual ownership is also a bit dif [11:26 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: concept.. [11:26 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: or perception of it [11:27 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well back to virtual groud.. HG as several issues.. but as we see around it works [11:28 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: *mostly* [11:28 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: When you try and stop the dishonest people it often just slows them down while making things harder for the honest people. [11:28 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yep [11:28 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: prob is how that maked life harder to all [11:29 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: just see useless certs [11:29 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: a very nice business abotu nothing, imposed on all [11:29 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: certs... [11:30 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: signing certs... [11:30 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: certs for everything [11:30 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and a fail every x months [11:31 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: we need to keep updating.. paying for new ones.. [11:31 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: bahh whatever [11:31 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well the letencript now did turn win X really obsolete [11:31 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: win xp [11:31 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: cert for signing the Mac viewer is out in a few days. Must build a new and issue signed by an updated cert [11:32 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeah [11:32 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: a mess [11:32 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and very useless [11:32 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: see our site [11:32 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I read something about some places not accepting Lets Encrypt certificates for some reason. That's a topic for another time. [11:33 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: why does opensim.org needs to be a secure site? [11:33 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: So is LL coming out with a viewer that runs on the Apple M1 processors? [11:33 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: there was an issue in SL where FS users were unable to log in for a few days [11:33 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: is it? [11:33 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: all its contents is free and public [11:33 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: viewer runs on the M1, but only as Intel version in Rosetta2 translation [11:34 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, it doesn't need to be a secure site until people need they need to access features requiring logging in to an account. [11:34 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: there will never be any native OpenGL support on that processor, so everything must be rewritten when OpenGL support ends [11:34 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: letencript new root certs where made in a more exotic format that only recent versions of openssl and other libs support [11:35 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: so all other versions of ssl libs just fail to verify them [11:35 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: no tls 1.0 and 1.1 support, right? [11:35 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yes that is gone also [11:35 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: only 1.2 [11:36 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: which was the issue in SL [11:36 AM PT] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: been thinking about buying an M1 mac mini [11:36 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: nopes sl issue was the mess on letsencript [11:36 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: It is fast, but it will not run mono [11:36 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it will not run any Windows code in a vm [11:37 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: m1 is a cpu for apple consoler [11:37 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: :p [11:37 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: not even the ARM version of Windows [11:37 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the new version with 32 GPU execution units would be interesting to test [11:37 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: but [11:37 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: apple products are only to run apple software [11:37 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: period [11:37 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: just Steve jobs dream [11:37 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the mini as 8 GPU units [11:38 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: closed machine [11:38 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it is a very closed machine [11:38 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: compared to their Intel based machines [11:38 AM PT] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: the new one is supposed to have double that [11:39 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: on intel ones they could not close as much [11:39 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: not even on the power ones also [11:39 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: They also did not have the phones when the Intel processor was introduced, so the entire phiosophy was different at the time [11:40 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I don't think SJ would have gone for another processor change [11:40 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeah phil is changing [11:40 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: liek all software by subscription etc [11:41 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Well, MS released a perpetual pay for version of Office [11:41 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeah i have a perpetual lic [11:41 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Office? What's that? An old version of Libre Office? [11:41 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks grins [11:41 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: it cries that is its obsolete and unsupported [11:42 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and eventually will stop working [11:42 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: It comes with 5GB of online storage, while Office 365 comes with 1Tb [11:42 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: "perpectual" as special meaning is software world [11:42 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well every where [11:42 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I have word documents from 1992 [11:43 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: current office refuse to open them as they can "damage the computer" [11:43 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ms knows that they cant force all fo be online 100% of time [11:43 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ofc they could :) [11:43 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: lol [11:43 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Gavin, the smart thing would have been to disable the parts of old docs that could |damage the computer". [11:44 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: To bring this back to OpenSim for a moment I have a question for Gavin. [11:44 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: There are entire states in the US that are unable to open old Word documents [11:44 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: sure [11:44 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: When *.docx files came out, the company I was working had not upgraded MSOffice recently and they could not read docx files coming from their clients! But I was running Libre Office and it could read them! I was a hero! :) [11:44 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Gavin, How does the move to TLS 1.2 affect the viewer? Does it only require linking the viewer against a newer SSL library? [11:44 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: (their public records ) [11:46 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I think the problem in SL is that the CDN does not handle requests with older TLS version any more [11:46 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, nice, until you spend all your time converting docs for people who can't read them with their version of MS Office. [11:46 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I don't think it is an issue in Opensim right now [11:46 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Gavin, ok. I just saw an announcement from LL saying they are dropping support for 1.0 and 1.1 which may affect some old(er) viewer programs. [11:46 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: but I can be wrong [11:47 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: right [11:47 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: there is a change to the viewer that updates it to handle CDN requests with TLS 1.2 [11:48 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: older viewers don't have that change, so they may be alble to log in to SL, but not fetch any assets [11:48 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ll is only following industry recomendation [11:48 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: remember all those ssl this are just BAD [11:48 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: exploids are found after a while [11:49 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: they keep to go on increasing size of keys and change code [11:49 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: they need,,, [11:49 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: IDK if any opensim grid forces asset requests using TLS? [11:49 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Gavin, LL is not supporting Linux so I have already seen a number of issues using a viewer program in SL that works fine with other grids. [11:50 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: i did improve ssl suport on opendim [11:50 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I am not surprised at all [11:50 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: but not active by defautl [11:50 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: there are of course other cahnges they do that is never tested on Linux, so [11:50 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I also have a question for Ubit regarding one of the changes I noticed in the commit logs. [11:50 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: guess kitely can do it since they use cdn [11:51 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Ask away Andrew! [11:51 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: :) [11:51 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: hehe [11:51 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ( if you goold tls you find [11:51 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: TLS 1.0 1999 Deprecated in 2020 (RFC 8996)[8][9][10] TLS 1.1 2006 Deprecated in 2020 (RFC 8996)[8][ [11:52 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ) [11:52 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: LL had not even tested it properly or had a test region set up for it so who konws hat the situation will be on Nov 1 [11:52 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: google i mean [11:52 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, A couple of recent commit messages make mention of a start up logo. How does that show up in a grid and is it text or graphical? [11:52 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: so ll is 1 year delayed [11:52 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Vincent. [11:52 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: that is thing we had for regions [11:52 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: it pastes the contents of a file on the console and log [11:52 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: just that [11:53 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I just copied the code over from the simulator startuplogo thing to the appropriate place in robust, works the same just different file to keep it separated [11:53 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ppl asked for the same for robust and Vicent made a patch [11:53 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: ok. Simple enough. I don't know how useful it is. [11:53 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Stefanie. [11:53 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: i just did accept with a little change on that filename [11:53 AM PT] Stefanie.Ferdinand @hg.zetaworlds.com: Hello everyone [11:54 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi Stef [11:54 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks nods to Ubit [11:54 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Why are people showing up now? Is it daylight wasting time somewhere in the world? [11:54 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I was eating [11:54 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Not yet, Kayaker. [11:55 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: This meat prison requires feeding unfortunately [11:55 AM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: can't have that"! [11:55 AM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Brain in a jar technology sadly not here yet [11:55 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: about tls on opensim [11:55 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Yes, this isn't Futurama. :) [11:55 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Go ahead, Ubit. [11:55 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: opensim mostly uses .net code for it [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and under .net4.6 that means 1.2 is supported [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: on our tiny http server i even did force acceptance of old ssl 1.0 2 and 3 :p [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: shhh don' tell [11:56 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: hehe [11:57 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: .net 4,8 supports 1.3 [11:57 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: the current one [11:57 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: We'll keep it just between us here. [11:57 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: :) [11:57 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: but for now opensim is on 4.6 ( can be compiled in 4.8 using the provided prebuild ) [11:57 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Ubit: Last week I described a problem with animesh (mantis 8935) and it sounded like you had an idea why this failed. Any work on that? [11:58 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: err i don' t remember :) [11:58 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Animesh rezzed out of prim inventory fail to animate. [11:59 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit and someone else (sorry, I don't remember who) were working on tracking down some other difficult to reproduce bug this past week. [11:59 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ahh hmm didn't look sorry [11:59 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Well, there is a mantis for my animesh problem now. [12:00 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: And I'll give you (Ubit) the animesh object mentioned in the mantis. [12:00 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well that did animate [12:00 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: That's a good first step, Kayaker. [12:00 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Does it behave the same in SL, Kayaker? [12:00 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: you see my spiderman= [12:00 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yeh [12:00 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: I tested in in SL and the problem does not happen there. [12:00 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: ok [12:00 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I see it, Ubit. [12:01 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: The issue with getting stuck on regions, the lludp jobengine thingy seems to be fixed, I have no further reports from the offending region that it misbehaves and have not been able to reproduce the issue on it either. The mantis on that is still open given there seem to be other possibly related situations that cause avatars to get stuck, but whether that really is related or what those issues are is hard to determine without offending commit or commit ranges [12:01 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: that other thing also dancing [12:01 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: At the moment that is waiting on some more info so for time being the ticket will stay open as a sort of collective for those kinds of issues [12:01 PM PT] Turbine: 1 animations running [12:01 PM PT] Turbine: try to start the first animation again [12:01 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Kubwa has a different environment so all possible on windows some other weird timing bug, just needs more testing [12:02 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: i see ur turbine kayaker [12:02 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: you ppl also see the 2 things i did rez animated? [12:02 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I saw the copy of the turbine that Bill had rezzed beside this building. [12:02 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: 3 things [12:03 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yes [12:03 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: so, so far no repo of that issue kayaker [12:03 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: :( [12:03 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: If you put it in a prim and rez it directly from there, by dragging or by llRezOBj from a script, it will arrive not spinning. [12:04 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I maintain that having to "reboot" the animations from on_rez event does make sense, but I guess if SL spec on this is different then we should look into it [12:04 PM PT] Turbine: 1 animations running [12:04 PM PT] Turbine: try to start the first animation again [12:04 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: The one I just rezzed out of prim inventory is not spinning. [12:05 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: could not rezing a bunch of animeshes animating all over the place with llRezOBj be a griefing vector? [12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: from last week, on this, i remember pgsql is not saving soem things it should [12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: or sqlite [12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: need to try to fix that [12:05 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: We are already at just over the one hour mark. [12:06 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: one fo these days Ubit [12:06 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Stefanie, did you have any questions or comments for the meeting? [12:06 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: The old phallic flexi "virus" of SL just in glorious volumptous 3d form in full animesh form [12:06 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Gavin I don't even want to think about the implication there lol [12:07 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: :-) [12:08 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ohh full moon again? [12:08 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ( i did look to moon here irl :) ) [12:08 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I don't even know if there is a difference between the two types of rezz given the abstract nature of that code being somewhat universal for a reason [12:08 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: moon is there looking at me by my window [12:09 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Suppose the context change could be to blame for the animation losing the "target" it is meant to animate [12:09 PM PT] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: I'm going to step out gents see you next week [12:09 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Jamie. Thanks for dropping by. [12:09 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Here it would have to penetrate multiple kilometers of cloud to be visible [12:09 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: It is just about time to start wrapping things up for this week anyway. [12:09 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: moved to venus gavin? [12:09 PM PT] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: always learn something [12:09 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: wlel a cold venus [12:09 PM PT] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: :-) [12:09 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: It is a low pressure [12:10 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: doing its thing [12:10 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Guess to track this down adding some debug to rezz code to see what it does as well as animation code to see if context change happens properly, but I don't even know where that code is [12:10 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: i just have a few thin clouds in sky now [12:10 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: moon is on one actually.. perfectly visible [12:11 PM PT] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Bye all [12:11 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Bye Selby [12:11 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: cya selby.Evans [12:11 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Selby. [12:12 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Has anyone made a particle volcano? [12:12 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Any other last minute questions/comments before we finish up for today? [12:12 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I am inspired by the eruption in La Palma [12:12 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: why if there are real ones everywhere? [12:12 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I have a particle generator. Wouldn't be hard to create something like that. [12:13 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: The really hard part would be simulating lava flow or the falling pumice stones. [12:13 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: hmm i remember i made a vulcano here ages ago [12:13 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: a very ugly one :) [12:13 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I suppose you could do falling pumice stones with temp objects and physics [12:13 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: lava is harder [12:14 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: You could probably do a lava river similar to how a regular river is done but just with some glow and different textures. [12:14 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: Lava can be done with careful design of mesh UV maps then texture animation in-world! [12:14 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yes [12:14 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I think I saw something like that over in the dark side. [12:15 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: That was in the days before mesh. [12:15 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: now with mesh a bit more control to do as kayaker said [12:15 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks nods [12:15 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: right [12:16 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: For after the meeting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wIzjeYY9s4 [12:16 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I was working on my Ferris wheel over in Kitely. I noticed that the KFM steps have a little glitch in them at start/end of step. [12:16 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: duuhhh [12:17 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: forget my animest testing [12:17 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: i forgot issue was rezzing from prim inventory :p [12:17 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I've also noticed the rezzing from a script doesn't work above 4096m. [12:17 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: Read the Mantis! (nobody ever RTFM) [12:18 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, the M still works for Mantis. :) [12:18 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: Yes! :) [12:18 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: i was reading ti now :p [12:18 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ill look to code actions [12:20 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: If there is nothing more for today I can call this one done and dusted. :) [12:20 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week. [12:20 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: Bye all! [19:20 UTC] *** Logging stopped. ***