[19:01 UTC] *** Logging started. *** [12:01 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone. [12:01 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the entire country is covered in shovel ready warming [12:01 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi Andrew [12:02 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Cold is fine if there was snow, but there ain't [12:04 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: wll about code changes... [12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: vicent did provide some code for to show basic grid stats [12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: i added it then broke it :p [12:05 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: As is tradition :) [12:05 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so it is currently broken? [12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=9182 [12:06 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well possible.. it is untested [12:06 PM PT] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Hello *smiles* [12:06 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I already have a logged result from another grid so it appears to be working [12:06 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Grid level stats vs. the sim ones? What data points are included? [12:06 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: this is kinda of vincent answer to hypregrid business getting out of business [12:06 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: no more opensim stats there [12:07 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: users that have logged in in the last 30 days, single region equivalent count and the total resident count [12:07 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: hi Lyr welcome :) [12:07 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: curl -X GET http://localhost:80/get_grid_stats 130737463950 [12:07 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: The first and last have been around a long time, IIRC. [12:08 PM PT] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Thanks! [12:08 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Lry [12:08 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: sorry I came late.. Are these stats from a console command? [12:08 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: s/ry/yr/ [12:08 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: are they going out of business? [12:08 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: vicent had added a xmlrpc method also, buit i just removed it [12:09 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: this days xmlrpc is not a cool thing :p [12:09 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Also is pretty bloated with structure for just three numbers heh [12:09 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeah maria moved on to other things [12:09 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: depends on who you ask I suppose :-) [12:09 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: The return parses as xml as well so it's fine [12:10 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeha kept response in xml format [12:11 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Once everyone updates will be much easier to collect some metrics on the metaverse. Of course added a way to disable it if someone doesn't want to share [12:11 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: or if it turns out to be very heavy [12:11 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well it is heavy,, [12:11 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: only want to share half truths [12:12 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: db stuff always heavy. I tried to keep it low just doing two [12:12 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: only want public regions to be seen in the region count [12:13 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: It just counts all from the table, no real way to detect if they are open or not [12:13 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I mean there is, but very heavy [12:14 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: also added a hack on iar load [12:14 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: There is a flag for Show In Search. Could that be used? [12:14 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: so subfolders of my outfits are type outfit [12:14 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yeah, I was about to say [12:15 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: There are some flags and access data in there, but that only works on larger scale, doesn't check parcels which could be closed as well not just the estate [12:16 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: some grids like osg use datasnapshot to make some stats [12:16 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: no but the thing is to not publish whole regions in the count if they are internal to the grid owner / devloper or whatever [12:17 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well it is just a number.. [12:17 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: can jsut disable that [12:18 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: don't think we have much provision for secret regions anyway [12:18 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: easy tho configure [12:19 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: if the actual region address/URL aren't listed, seems no harm to include in count [12:20 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: Does it calculate the SL region count equivalent number? [12:20 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the main key to private regions is to not open the ports in the gateway [12:20 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: Or tell you the regions sizes? [12:20 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Single region equivalent yes [12:21 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: The welcome page I use with my standalone always showed some stats. I'm trying to think about how it did that. I know the code originally came from opensimwi. [12:21 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: I hack numbers out of the database with PHP for my welcome pages. [12:22 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: me too [12:23 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yup [12:24 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeha this is just a very simple thing [12:25 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Accuracy is also not perfect given it just reads the table data, which might not be accurate in some cases [12:26 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Robust doesn't do housekeeping on that stuff so if regions crash you get ghosts [12:26 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: eViola [12:27 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: oops ww [12:27 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: It's just for some general metrics about the wider metaverse that might help someone wishing to gain some insight [12:27 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: cd .. [12:27 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: pwd [12:27 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: dammit [12:27 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: sry [12:28 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: dammit not found [12:28 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I even thought about adding online user count, but given the mess that is presence decided against it. Also think that goes a bit far even if most display such a count anyways [12:29 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Which brings me to. Doing some house keeping on presence is usually done externally through routines to check for the null keys in the region id column [12:29 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Technically something robust could do as well, but it does mean code that would have to make at least some assumptions on what is going on [12:30 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: and possibility of total flood of the grid [12:30 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: While a user teleports the region id can become null so any such house keeping needs to check in intervals which makes it heavier [12:30 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: like happend to osgrid using datasnapshot :) [12:30 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: speaking of [12:30 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: how is the reset going? [12:31 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: when you are connecting to a few thousand regions... things get bad... [12:31 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: pfff [12:31 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: i keep calling Dan bad names to try to change that decision :p [12:32 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ( calling on ims to him ;p ) [12:32 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: what would that accomplice [12:32 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: My main concern with it is that you can also reset a stuck presence by just logging back in, so if it is set to remove a presence while the user is logging in it might collide even if that timing would need to be spot on [12:32 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: hmm maybe force im to walk naked down hill saying shame.. shame.. shame [12:33 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: err wait that was otehr movie [12:33 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Though that is what my current routine does and according to robust logs no collisions of missing presence so far [12:33 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, That makes me think of an old song. ;) [12:33 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well thing is that there was no loss of assets [12:34 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: just some temporary issues.. [12:34 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: and the call to make IARs and OARs just made the assets services to colapse [12:34 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Who would have seen that comin... [12:35 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so you are sayng there was no data corruption? [12:35 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: and that to get broken IARs... because the assets that are currently not visible [12:35 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: saying* [12:35 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: no [12:36 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: just several assets where moved to other disk temporary [12:36 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: for osg users who aren't region owners, how are they supposed to get a "cleaned" IAR? [12:36 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: like 50% of the ones on our invntories [12:36 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: some ppl are providing that service cuga.Rajal [12:37 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: wel lets see [12:37 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: ok I'll look into it maybe. [12:37 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: the assets still exist.. so still some hope [12:37 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: of a more proper fix [12:37 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: Is it still true that to get an IAR you have to give your password to a grid manager to enter it into the save iar command on the console? [12:38 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: to a region owner.. [12:38 PM PT] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: If you have a region you can do it from there [12:38 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: why do defragmentation fall in mind... [12:39 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: it may even be possible to repair the assets service with no downtime [12:39 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: osg users who dont want to give their password are likely not going to even bother continuing that account, unless they have irreplaceable items to recover [12:40 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: nice to hear there is still some hope in fixing [12:40 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: not sure why that was not done.. well response time maybe a bit bad.. but better than current fails [12:40 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: You could have an IAR made and then immediately change your password. [12:40 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I have (had) some items with creation dates of 2007, which is pretty early opensim [12:40 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well osgrid admin just did faill in love with the simple minded "RESET ALL" [12:41 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ignoring how that just means the end of osgrid soul [12:41 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: whatever.. [12:43 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well lets see what can be done [12:43 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: until disks are deleted, there is hope [12:45 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: there is hope till the platter is melted [12:45 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: :) [12:45 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: after all it is just some 6TB on 86MAssets [12:46 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: think youtube as a bit more... [12:46 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: has... [12:46 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: main SL MySQL db was 182 TB in 2010 [12:47 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: LL has more money to spend on a data center [12:47 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yep [12:47 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: nahh they closed the datacenters [12:47 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: all aws now [12:48 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: now you get 15L$ extra per week if you log in with the mobile client [12:48 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: Any hope of the mobile client working on OpenSim? [12:48 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: thats like $0.20 USD [12:48 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: per day [12:48 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: sorry [12:48 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: sl only thing i bet [12:49 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: made by opensim creator Adam Frisby [12:49 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: like some like to say [12:50 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I tried their web browser version too recently [12:50 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: Lumyia was good enough for attending meetings, sending IMs, I wish it had not been abandoned. [12:50 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: fear author died ?? [12:50 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ofc also russian ?? [12:51 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: wait.. now that is a good thing again [12:51 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it is [12:51 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: since this morning [12:51 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeah [12:51 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: a lot bettet than those silly europeans [12:51 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Umarov sounds russian`? [12:52 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: or ukr ?? [12:52 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: no idea [12:52 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: :) [12:52 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: dunno, but it has that ring to it [12:53 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: hmm there was a umarov in tchechenia~ [12:53 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: oops bomb in moscow in 2010 :) [12:54 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: no not russian namke but nearby [12:54 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: but i got it at SL [12:55 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it was one on the list when youregistered first? [12:55 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hird was the best on the list I got presented, but it sort of has a nazi ring to it thanks to [12:56 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: back in the day they had you pick from a list of names or first letter [12:56 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: yes it was [12:56 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: In old Norse, the Hird was the King's guard [12:56 PM PT] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 grins [12:57 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: stupid Germans ruined that [12:57 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: what ? [12:58 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: Yeah, I wanted Mike Kayaker, that wasn't allowed so I flipped it and chose the first last name that started with M. [12:58 PM PT] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hird was like Hitler jugend during ww2 [12:58 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: outch [12:58 PM PT] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: for me, Lobo was the shortest name in 2005, Llyr were shapeshifters and I play a lot of druids in the World of Warcraft, hence the name choice *grins* [12:59 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Cuga was my Burning Man "playa name" before I joined SL or OS [12:59 PM PT] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 grins [12:59 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: i was just tired of browsing that list so picked umarov that was there at the moment :p [1:00 PM PT] animatsalt resident: Gotta go, next meeting. [1:00 PM PT] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: for me, I needed students to be able to remember it and write me in world *smiles* [1:00 PM PT] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: bye Joe [1:00 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: not a lot to talk about today :) [1:01 PM PT] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Thank you for the meeting [1:01 PM PT] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: I like the name, Kayaker [1:01 PM PT] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: very cool [1:02 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: lobo .. wolf is also cool :) [1:03 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: going to get back to my rabbot hole of animesh scripting [1:03 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Cuga, some meetings are like that. [1:03 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: no worries :) nice to hear theres nothing pressing [1:04 PM PT] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: besides webrtc and osg doom [1:04 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: If there isn't anything more for today I will call this meeting to a close. [1:04 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeha fun things [1:05 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: That will do it for today. Thank you all for coming. See you again next week. [20:05 UTC] *** Logging stopped. ***